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Obama Supporters: Don't Be Duped By McCain's Lackeys
By ChasingAmerica - Monday, July 7th, 2008 at 6:45 PM
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Either many people aren't listening to Obama when he makes his assertions and his arguments for them, or they are deliberately hearing only what they want to hear. Unfortunately, the latter seems to be the way things are panning out. Whether Obama has reassessed an old position or created an altogether new one, he has not been above explaining these positions thoroughly. 
 
He's a thinking man -- a man who doesn't pin his manhood on a steadfast adherence to ignorance on a subject, especially when he is presented with new evidence. Yet on the Iraq War, Obama has never wavered. He was dead set against initiating the war in Iraq because he believed in Afghanistan should have been the ground on which America rightfully fought. He also now believes that we have to have a smart withdrawal from Iraq
 
In the way that mainstream media and McCain's surrogates reacted to some of Obama's recent comments on Iraq, you would think that McCain is setting the agenda on what the talking points of the day will be. Obama's recent comments are at the same time both sage and what he's been saying all along, which is basically that he would listen to the military leaders on the ground to "be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in". 
 
That statement along with the statement that "It's time for Iraqis to take responsibility for their future" were uttered by Obama as recently as June 3rd of 2008 in Minnesota. But somehow some people on the Left and the Right want to act as if they are flabbergasted at this news. They pretend as if they never knew Obama's position on this. The only people who should be bewildered are Obama, as well as the millions of people who not only listened to Obama but heard him. 
 
Apparently some on the Left as well as on the Right don't want to hear the following truth Obama spoke in response to the manufactured firestorm over his Iraq comments: 
 
"I was a little puzzled by the frenzy that I set off by what I thought was a pretty innocuous statement. I am absolutely committed to ending the war...The tactics of how we ensure our troops are safe as we pull out, how we execute the withdrawal, those are things that are all based on facts and conditions. I am not somebody - unlike George Bush - who is willing to ignore facts on the basis of my preconceived notions." 
 
What's disgusting is that those who call themselves liberal or Democrat or an Obama supporter actually joined in the chorus of criticism against Obama over this message he's delivered over and over again since the beginning of his campaign. 
 
Don't get me wrong: as a supporter of Obama, you have to be vigilant. You have to hold him accountable on certain issues, like for instance the FISA bill. We supporters of Obama should give him hell when he's wrong. It's the only way to ensure that he gets it right. But for us to join in on a ridiculous charge that somehow he's changed his position on Iraq-- when we act as if with a wave of his brown hand he'll bring the Iraq War to an end-- we're morphing into the caricatures that some on the Right make us out to be. 
 
He has always taken a staid, rational stance on Iraq even while trumpeting that we have a moral obligation to leave Iraq as soon as possible--just not recklessly and not after an exorbitant amount of time, like say, a hundred years. 

Obama is not a Messiah, he is not a Savior-- he is flawed man. He is a man who will take a measured approach to certain issues. He is man that has to do so, especially in cases of war. 
 
Some have suggested that many in this country won't even give Obama, if elected, the chance to resolve any of this country's issues. And if the actions of some liberals and conservatives in this latest manufactured controversy are a preview of what's to come, it's more than just a little disturbing. 
 
Give him a chance to present his case during this general election campaign period. Don't be so fickle as to accuse him of betraying the extreme Left because he wants to be the Anti-Bush--because he wants to be a thoughtful leader who considers every angle of a situation and who isn't as narrow-minded as to dismiss an opposing view off the top, well... just because. 
 
I tend to agree with Obama that the war has shifted to Afghanistan and North Pakistan, and that perhaps the battleground never, ever really was in Iraq. McCain would have us believe that Al Qaeda is strongest in Iraq. Al Qaeda is not strongest there and that's why violence and deaths have risen in Afghanistan
 
 Because we've neglected the real fight, the Al Qaeda is resurging stronger than ever. 
 
Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki recently spoke in regards to a timetable on U.S. withdrawal, saying "Today, we are looking at the necessity of terminating the foreign presence on Iraqi lands and restoring full sovereignty." It's time that the Iraqi people were allowed to reestablish themselves as a sovereign country and recover on their own from this misbegotten war that was waged on their soil. 
 
The civilian loss there is unconscionable as well is our soldier loss. 
 
But McCain would have us believe, as one of his surrogates implied, that Obama has changed his mind on the fact that the Iraq War was wrong. Instead, McCain would be wrong on that. As well as he is wrong that the true battle is in Iraq. It is not, as Obama has contended all along, but rather in Afghanistan
 
All of us supporters had better become clear on Obama's stances so that none of us are duped into indicting him for both a position that the other side now distorts and a position that we had all supported and encouraged by voting Obama the Democratic nominee. 



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Discussion:

On FISA......if any on you blog in the Community forum at Obama's web ste you have noticed there's a "campaign" against Barack on FISA.  I find this "campaign" interesting: 1) they have managed to get the 24/7 'entertainment' media to report dissent amongst Obama supporters, 2) pose themselves as past small donors that will no longer donate to the campaign, and - 3) get the forum off constructive chats and ideas. 

In my opinion, the plan is to slowing put into question Obama supporter's donating and slowly dry-up these grassroot donors.  With a bit of investigative work you see a pattern that ALL of the negative posters have signed on to Obama site within the past 10 days, even if they present themselves as supporters from day one.  You also will find some of these same names on other political blogs spouting the same kind of negative comments about Obama.

In about 6 hours over a 2 day time frame here's a list I compiled of TROLLS on the Obama site....and the message I send to them with their name added to the bottom of the list:

 

welcome to Obama's Community - what took you so long to find us? Now that you are here...I would like to let you know you have been added to our growing lists of 'friends' on this site...the GOP/McCain/Rove Trolls.....

Phil from Tucson, AZ
Bucky Badger
Thomas from Nassau, NY
Kimberly from Wyoming, IL
Dennis from Mammoth Lakes, CA
Curt from Corona, CA
Joe from Houston, TX
Matthew from Lincoln, NE
Sarah from London, OH
Nickolas from Cleveland, OH
David in Toronto by way of New Orleans
Deborah from Mountain Home, AR
Brendhan from West Palm Beach, FL
Edward from North Palm Beach, FL
Ken from Birmingham, AL
Jim from Watertown, MA
Alex from Nahant, MA
Gabriel
Shell from Brooklyn, NY
wanderindiana
Guy from Johnson City, TN
Coalition from Indianapolis, IN
Alexander from Montara, CA
David from Everett WA
Robert from Tampa, FL
Roy from Douglas Flat, CA
Babak from Jersey City, NJ
Morton from Washington, DC
Brent from Media, PA
James from New Castle, DE
Ron from Canfield, OH
Wanda from Houston, TX
SHAUN FROM ST.GEORGE ,UT
Michael in LA
Nancy from Everett, WA
Robin from Holyoke, MA
David from Arlington, VA
Aviva from Chevy Chase, MD (group administrator – started 6/27/08 – Aviva joined on 6/27/08 – has written NO blog postings)
Richard from Acworth, GA
Rob from Langley, WA
sirshannon
Charles Eastman (joined July 5, 2008)
Mike from Dana Point, CA
Noureddine from Saylorsburg, PA (joined July 5, 2008)
Robert from De Forest, WI (joined July 5, 2008)
Adrian from El Paso, TX (first Community post on July 2, 2008)
KTA (first Community post on July 3, 2008)
Maxine (first Community post on July 5, 2008)
William from Chicago, IL (first Community posting on July 5, 2008)
D (first Community posting on July 5, 2008 – from Denver, CO?)
GP (first Community posting on July 5, 2008)
Sherri from West Jordan, UT (first Community posting on July 5, 2008)
Sarah Morken (first Community post on July 5, 2008)
Another from Englewood, CO (first Community post on July 1, 2008)
Floyd from Stockton, CA (posted on Community July 5, 2008 – no profile)
Brenda M Chapman (first Community post on July 1, 2008)
Pat from Downers Grove, IL (first Community post on July 6, 2008)
Neal from Altona, NY (first Community post on July 6, 2008)
PJ from Chatsworth, CA (first Community post on July 6, 2008)
Bill from Elizabeth, NJ (first Community post on July 6, 2008)
Steve from Rutland, VT (first Community post on July 6, 2008)
no right turn (joined site July 3, 2008 – 7 posts against FISA)
DeWayne from Moline, IL (first Community post on July 6, 2008)
KATHLEEN from West Hollywood, CA (first Community post July 6, 2008)
Carrie Lynn from Austin, TX (first Community post July 6, 2008)
Steve from Northampton, MA (first Community post July 6, 2008)
Java from Columbus, OH (first Community post July 6, 2008)
Pi from Bangor, ME (first Community post July 6, 2008 – on Muslim)
Hilary from Glen Oaks, NY (first Community post July 6, 2008)
Denning from New York, NY (first Community post July 2, 2008)
Dr. F. from San Francisco, CA (first Community post July 6, 2008)
Robert from Moab, UT (first Community post July 6, 2008)
zedbrn (first joined July 4, 2008)
Jesus Christ (first appeared July 6, 2008 – doctor’s posters, says nada - sek.gfbnsdklg sdfsldbfsl/dg's Blog)
[ Posted at 6:11 AM on 7/8/08 | Reply ]

THE FROG THEORY 
  
     If you drop a frog in boiling water he will leap right out. If you slowly heat the water he will be content until it's too late to get out.  That is exactly how history works. It moves slowly and we never really see any danger until it's too late. 
 
     Remember how suppressed workers were before unions came along? The unions leveled the playing field. Unfortunately, over a long period of time the pendulum swung too far. Slowly, businesses and factories closed and jobs left the country. We were comfortable and didn't see the change coming. We blamed everyone except ourselves for what happened. We weren't alert to how slow things change over time.
 
      World War II, and the Korean War, demonstrated how powerful a united nation could be. Our nation, and our families, were united. The father was the head of the family and the President was the head of the nation. Both were highly respected. We were content and happy. 
  
     We were good at fighting a hot war but we were unprepared to fight a cold war with the communists in the 50's. They knew they couldn't change us but they didn't care. Their philosophy was to wait it out and capture the minds of our children. They loaded our colleges with many of their professors and waited. It didn't take long to see the results. 
 
     The 60's ushered in the radicals, drug culture, student protesters, and the Vietnam War. The aim of the cold war was to divide and conquer.  They divided our families and the nation. The secret to defeating a polite and respectful people is to scream. The louder and longer you scream the better your chance of winning. Radicals are masters at this form of attack. They know if you constantly scream and repeat a lie it will eventually become the truth. 
 

    The media, and Hollywood, hammered us with hate America themes and stories. Our service men, and women, were jeered, cursed, and spit on.  Even the people, who latter wanted to become their President, thrashed them. We lost our first War in history. There was no hero's homecoming for our fighting men and women. 
 
     The Reverend King, who was raised in the old school, peacefully changed the race issue and united the people. When he died the new breed of leaders like the Jesse Jacksons, Lewis Farakons, Al Sharptons, and Rev. Wrights put a lid on his efforts and turned racism into a money making machine. 
 
     Corporations were green-mailed by threats of protests, product boycotts, or endless lawsuits. Every issue, large or small, became a race issue. The public recoiled in fear of being called a racist. Their 
voices were silenced because one word could cost you a career, get you fired, or get you sued.

  
     Even politicians buckled under to the pressure. The Florida legislature issued a formal apology for having slavery 200 years ago.  They were thanked by being asked for compensation. There is no end in 
sight for this kind of nonsense. America didn't capture slaves and bring them to America. Their own people sold them to slave traders from several nations. This knowledge doesn't stop the screamers. History is what it is and you can't change it. There have been many tragic events in history. You acknowledge them and move on.

     They divided our nation into two separate Americas. We now have Americans, and African-Americans, although Africa has nothing to do with being an American. You can be one or the other but not both. You are what you were born to be. You do not subordinate our country to any foreign nation. It's equivalent to flying the African flag above the Stars and Stripes. If you hy phenate two countries America always comes
first. 

     This election year could be the turning point in our history because the frog theory has come into play. It's time to step back and look at how the country has slowly changed since the cold war started.

Don't get caught up in all the hype. 
 
     George McGovern was the first Presidential candidate to test the waters with college students. The Clinton's played a big role in his campaign. It was the worst campaign ever run. He was crushed in the 
election.

     Step two was to infiltrate all the information vehicles such as radio, newspapers, magazines, TV and movies. They were quite successful at that. Jimmy Carter was the first President to demonstrate the leadership skills of the far left. He gave away the Panama Canal, welcomed all the Viet Nam draft dodgers back from Canada and told France they did not owe us the WWII debt that they had amassed. Weak military, high taxes, runaway inflation, 19% mortgage rates, and plain incompetence ended his 
career in Washington.
Iran, a small country at the time, took American hostages and kicked sand in our face. By negotiating from weakness Carter could not get the hostages released. He is possibly best 
remembered by the idiot brother of the "peanut farmer" and the invention of "Billy Beer". 

The big benefit of the Carter years is that they were followed by the Reagan years. The nation got a clear look at the difference between a weak nation and a strong nation. Every student should know this 
difference. When Ronald Reagan took over the hostages were quickly released, taxes were lowered, inflation dropped, mortgage rates dropped, and the military was strengthened. Russia quickly waved the white flag and waited for another Democrat term. 

Clinton took over Carter's uncompleted social programs. He weakened the military and tried to pass large government programs. An Intern derailed his Presidency. While he was tied up with his personal problems his lawyers ran the country. He passed up three opportunities to take out Osama Bin Laden. This eventually cost us the loss of our Twin Towers, thousands of American lives, and got us involved in a war with Iraq. 

By the end of his term the left had captured a large share of the media and it flexed its muscle in 2000. The hate Bush campaign got off roaring start. The brainwashing theory of repeating the same story 
over and over again was launched. 

There were endless stories about our evil nation and its President. Top-secret plans were leaked to the press and printed for the entire world to see. Hollywood cranked out documentaries about the evil Bush 
administration and our evil military. They laid the groundwork for the next election. The ACLU flooded the courts with lawsuits and the Democratic party became a law firm. Almost every incumbent, or his or her spouse, is a lawyer. 

They now have the perfect candidate because they can squash criticism by playing the race card. If you don't like Obama, or criticize him, you are a racist. They can hide his inexperience and background by turning him into a rock star and singing change and hope. They don't tell us what kind of change, or how it will be done, only that you should hope for the best. By keeping the hype going they don't have to put anything of substance on the table. 

The only thing we really know about Obama is that his wife has never been proud to be an American. They want us to believe that his liberal college professors, Rev. Pfleger, his ties to radicals Bill Ayer and 
Lewis Farakon, and listening to the Rev. Wright's hate talks for 20 years, had no influence on his thinking. If they didn't, then who did?  He wasn't in business and didn't see fit to serve his country. These 
people l aunched his political career and their organizations received earmarks in return for their campa ign donations and political help. They must have had some influence. Rev. Wright's church received over $15 million. That's only one small local church. Think on a national scale.

The change being promoted is a change back to the Carter years. It started in 2006 when the lawyer party took over. There have been endless lawsuits and investigations in retaliation for the Clinton years. It keeps the lawyers busy but does nothing for the economy. The economy has been in a downward spiral since they took over. 
 

Returning to the Carter years of high taxes, high inflation, and a weak military is not the change we are looking for. We cannot cower to a bunch of crazies whose only goal in life is to kill us. 
 
The old sage's (over 50) will have to play a big role in this election. The young people simply don't know what the aged know. The advantage of aging is the knowledge you accumulated. You know what 
United States means. You know what the seldom-heard word respect means. You know how wonderful freedom and independence is. You know the difference between a strong and a weak nation; and you know what it takes to keep it strong. You know history because you have lived it. 

Although the old guard is dying off, and getting too tired to fight, they have to muster one more charge. If they don't, our children, and grandchildren, will never know the joy and freedom that is the bedrock of 
our country. The heat is slowly being turned up and the water is getting 
hot.

 

The old frogs better start jumping before it's too late.

[ Posted at 10:12 AM on 7/8/08 | Reply ]

God, this was the worst anti-obama drivel I've read in a long while.  And believe me, I've read some bad anti-obama stuff  'cause I like to know what kind of special, new kind of idiocy people can come up with.

Jackoff, you take the prize for the worst.  So, I guess in a weird way that makes you the best.  Thanks for posting here at a website that supports Obama's candidacy, or which, at the least, respects it.  You saved me the time today of having to go and find the latest raving, foaming-at-the-mouth, intelligently dishonest  line of argument against Obama. 

It means the world to me that you would even take the time to post.  Thanks!

 

 

[ Posted at 12:38 PM on 7/8/08 | Reply ]

jackoff could be added to the list

[ Posted at 2:26 PM on 7/8/08 | Reply ]

*intelligently dishonest* should read *intellectually dishonest* in my previous post.  I sometimes get so riled up over stupid posts like jackoff's that I type faster than my own thoughts.

@tesla: DITTO.

[ Posted at 6:10 PM on 7/8/08 | Reply ]


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