THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 9, 2012 - This Day In History
Will Obama Select Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State?
Posted By KikiBird - Friday, November 14th, 2008 at 4:27 AM
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During the Democratic primaries two of our writers had a debate about whether Sen. Hillary Clinton would be a good Secretary of State selection in an Obama Administration.  JWilkes had the vision to put this idea forward all the back on March 30th, 2008.  Copied below is his post in support of Clinton as America’s next Secretary of State

There was a voice of dissension, however.  Stonecipher, another writer at Eyes On Obama / The Real Right, gave his reasons as to why Clinton would not make a good Secretary of State.

Which do you agree with?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m02mhZOJTAI&e

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If there’s one thing every single American voter should have learned about Hillary Clinton in this election process, it’s that she concedes nothing. She’s going to hang tough and keep fighting- party chances in November be damned- until she either walks out of Denver with the nomination, or exhausta every single solitary option she has in trying to get it done.

Even if the superdelegates do as they’ve been told by DNC Chairman Howard Dean and commit by July 1st, my bet is that Hillary sticks around, waiting for one of two things to happen: first, Barack Obama takes a nose-dive in head-to-head polls against John McCain, giving her the potential to persuade superdelegates that she’d be the more able challenger. Scenario two: Obama becomes so bogged down by controversy (i.e., Rev. Jeremiah Wright) and as-of-yet-unrevealed scandal that he becomes essentially non-viable.

Bottom line: Hillary’s not going anywhere. Democrats will either give her the nomination or drag her out kicking and screaming.

If the Democratic Party really wants this thing to be over, it has to realize that at this point, Hillary Clinton has zero incentive to drop out of the race. She’s right on Obama’s heels, and should the Illinois Senator fall, she’ll be right there to pick up where he left off. In all likelihood, this is her one shot at making history- and not just as a First Lady or Senator, but as President of the United States.

They have got to make quitting and ceding that dream worth her while. That’s a tall order.

Before we get into what can happen, let’s talk about what can’t.

Some have suggested making Mrs. Clinton the Senate Majority Leader. There are a few problems with this. First, Harry Reid is renowned, respected, and revered for his knowledge of Senate Rules. He spent 20 years in the Senate before getting that post in 2007. He’s not going to just step back two years later and give it to Hillary, who has a little more than a fifth of his experience in elective office. Don’t forget, he’s a politician, too, who worked hard to get where he is. The Senate Majority Leader post was the crowning moment of his career. He’s not about to give that up just because Hillary is Hillary and someone else wants him to placate her ego.

But more importantly: Hillary didn’t get into the Senate to spend her career there. Patrick Leahy was right when he said that she would have a fine career there. But the fact is that she ran for that seat in 2000 knowing very well that it was a stepping stone to a larger prize.

Returning to the Senate would be an embarassment to Clinton. Rebuked by her own party after her husband became its only full two-term president since Franklin Roosevelt, she’d be heading back to a body where more of her colleagues, as of right now, have endorsed Obama than her.

That’s not a political setback, that’s failing at the true aim of your career.

Then there’s the "Dream Ticket" idea. The problems with an Obama-Clinton are even more apparent. Neither has any executive leadership experience, and at the time they declared their candidacies, the two had less than a decade of service in federal office combined. That makes for a train-wreck of a ticket. If Obama knows what he’s doing- and he does- he’ll select a veep who bolsters his chances of winning the White House. Hillary weighs it down like a brick on a fishing line.

My proposal: give Hillary Clinton the only logical consolation prize and make her the nation’s top diplomat, the Secretary of State.

Why? She’s done it before. If there is one kind of "experience" that she can legitimately claim to have gotten out of the eight years of Bill’s presidency, it’s as an ambassador. She visited foreign heads of state, familiarizing herself with the problems in their region, and infuenced policy back at the White House. In case you aren’t aware, that- in a nutshell- is what a Secretary of State does.

Additionally, Clinton is internationally respected, and unequivocally well-versed on issues of foreign policy.

It’s the only option that allows Clinton to build on her strengths without sulking back to the Senate in political defeat. It keeps her bruised- but not destroyed- ego intact, rewards her service to party and country, and truly utilizes her assets in a manner that makes her an asset to the Obama White House. Plus, she has the chance to make an impact that can be remembered for generations: with the problems in Iraq and sub-Saharan Africa, the next Secretary of State will face one of the most difficult international climates in American history. It’s a challenge that Clinton is more than up for; it’s a chance for her to shine.

With the possible exception of Attorney General (Clinton was a brilliant lawyer before Bill jumped into the Arkansas political arena), there is no other position that gives Clinton the chance to advance her career and be remembered.

So Governor Dean, Senator Reid, Speaker Pelosi, Senator Obama, and all the other policymakers of the Democratic party: give Clinton a real reason to quit this race. Tell her if she doesn’t take this offer, and she proceeds to push the party further into its civil war, she’ll be remembered as the Senator and First Lady who tried. If she takes it, she’ll be the Secretary of State who did. Those are real terms that she- and her Clintonian ego (not that it’s a bad thing!) can understand.

That, my distinguished party leaders, is a deal.



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Discussion:
What an awful idea. It stinks for so many reasons... For example Hillary said something like "Iran will be obliterated"... that's what we want in a Sec of State?
[ Posted at 12:27 PM on 11/14/08 | Reply ]
[-] Strong feelings - timran
There are definitely strong feeling on this subject. As with all appointments, I'm of the mind that Obama should pick who he thinks will best serve his needs.

The thing about Hillary is that she fits really well into Doris Kearns Goodwin's "Team of Rivals" description.

Having people around that don't see the world as you do can be a benefit...as long as they are not neocons. That's where I draw the line.
[ Posted at 1:04 PM on 11/14/08 | Reply ]
[-] Hilbama? - Guest-Ron Towns
I’m not surprised that Hilary and Obama will most likely end up working on the same team in the white house, Obama as President and Hill-dawg as Secretary of State. Do you know what one major mutual thing they shared in common was? They both have shared a vision to lead American. Hilary didn’t win the presidential election but isn’t it ironic that she will probably end up in one of the most important leadership positions in the Government. Her vision to lead was so strong that she could taste it – and now a senior leadership position has attracted her to the white house – unbelievable.
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[ Posted at 5:02 PM on 11/14/08 | Reply ]
[-] 1 con would be - Guest-BrokebackCasket
that it's Hillary Clinton.
[ Posted at 1:49 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
[-] True! I - Guest-Relaxxation
I vote for Judge Judy!
[ Posted at 1:49 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
[-] 1 pro AND one con would be - Guest-JenniferInMO
that it's Hillary Clinton.
The woman is a walking talking paradox.
[ Posted at 1:50 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
[-] LoL You & I - Guest-jackieblu
are thinking so a like!
[ Posted at 1:52 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
[-] 1 con is - Guest-skidme
that she's a woman.
[ Posted at 1:51 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
[-] I think she will be - Guest-d2002
great on the Supreme Court.
[ Posted at 1:53 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
[-] I think she would be great - Guest-GhostyBoy
ironing my shirt.
[ Posted at 1:54 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
[-] I'm really hoping it's John Kerry. - Guest-gnocchi1442
Not because I like John Kerry that much (though I think he'd make a fine Sec. State), but the choice of Kerry would leave Russ Feingold in charge of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations.
[ Posted at 1:55 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
[-] I vote nay on Clinton - Guest-Ralphdraw3
too much triangulating and DLCishness for me...
[ Posted at 1:57 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
[-] Meh. It's fun to chew on - Guest-NinaOdell
while we're waiting around for the real appointments, but mark my words - it's not going to happen.

The new administration needs to make a show of offering Hillary a post for conciliatory reasons, but she's not going to entertain even a sincere offer for a minute.

There are a lot reasons I could put forth, but the main one is that I think she still wants to run in 8 years.
[ Posted at 1:58 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
trusts Hillary Clinton after the dirty campaign she waged. Any appointment to a position requiring trustworthiness and good judgment would be a black mark against the administration. I'd suggest a cushy sinecure.
[ Posted at 3:40 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
but for the last few months she and Bill were traveling all over stumping and thumping with all their passion in it. They have redeemed themselves in my mind.
[ Posted at 3:41 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
I am sure she will get offered a cabinet position, if she takes it or not is another question.
[ Posted at 3:41 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
[-] Hilllary! - Guest-GamingForever
Hillary is a good choice!
[ Posted at 3:42 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
[-] I'm torn - Guest-ObamAmerican48
but if I had to say I did or didn't support such a move I'd have to say I don't support her as the choice for SOS.
[ Posted at 3:43 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
[-] That's the most non-committal - Guest-face5000
thing i've ever heard.
[ Posted at 3:44 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
[-] This is a terrible choice. - Guest-panicbombs
The Clintons and Bush families and cling ons need as far away as possible from power in the Federal government. I thought the 2008 election results reflected a change to something different. It appears Obama is going for Clinton's 3rd term with all of these Clintonites. This sucks.
[ Posted at 3:44 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
[-] dammit, when will we be rid of her? - Guest-ScrewedThePooch
Get out of politics, Hillary! You lost already, stop crying and go home.
[ Posted at 3:45 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
that one talks to one's enemies. A Sec of State has to be trustworthy and in synch with the Prez on central policies like this.
[ Posted at 3:46 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
[-] Sure .. - Guest-kingamoon
make the woman a Secretary. That's just sexist :)
[ Posted at 4:11 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
I supported Obama during the last campaign. However, I think that his government will be mildly disappointing for those who are expecting deep and substantial changes. Remember that he supported the bailout of the financial system, one of the most outrageous rip-offs of the nation's wealth that will affect not only us but also the future of our children. Few days ago he also supported the bailout of the car industry. Yeah... spreading the wealth... of honest taxpayers to large corporations who give a shit about their workers. Do you think that I am being too cynical? Just wait and see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5epJV3fOmI
[ Posted at 4:48 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
[-] I think Hillary is smart - Guest-lweissberg
and she a fighter. I can forgive her for the campaign because, the reality is is that's what political campaigns are like. That, and the way she really stumped for Obama.

That said, I don't see Secretary of State as the best position for her. I'd like to see her get a post in something regarding health care, or something else which suits her interests.

From what I've heard about Richardson's background, I think he'd be a better person for the job.
[ Posted at 5:00 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
for the position are qualified, and I *especially* hope Clinton doesn't get it. My vote hands-down would be for Fareed Zakaria. I think he'd be great in the position, with a high level of intelligence, diplomacy and a keen understanding of global issues, especially the Middle East.
[ Posted at 10:48 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]
I hope Hillary gets a top position in the cabinet!
[ Posted at 11:12 AM on 11/15/08 | Reply ]

Hillary Clinton to accept Obama's offer of secretary of state job

President-elect Barack Obama reaching out to former rivals to build a broad coalition administration.

Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama

Hillary Clinton will be Barack Obama's secretary of state. Photographs: AFP/Getty Images

Hillary Clinton plans to accept the job of secretary of state offered by Barack Obama, who is reaching out to former rivals to build a broad coalition administration, the Guardian has learned.

Obama's advisers have begun looking into Bill Clinton's foundation, which distributes millions of dollars to Africa to help with development, to ensure that there is no conflict of interest. But Democrats do not believe that the vetting is likely to be a problem.

Clinton would be well placed to become the country's dominant voice in foreign affairs, replacing Condoleezza Rice. Since being elected senator for New York, she has specialised in foreign affairs and defence. Although she supported the war in Iraq, she and Obama basically agree on a withdrawal of American troops.

Clinton, who still harbours hopes of a future presidential run, had to weigh up whether she would be better placed by staying in the Senate, which offers a platform for life, or making the more uncertain career move to the secretary of state job.

As part of the coalition-building, Obama today also reached out to his defeated Republican rival, John McCain, to discuss how they could work together to roll back some of the most controversial policies of the Bush years. Putting aside the bitter words thrown about with abandon by both sides during the election campaign, McCain flew to meet Obama at his headquarters in the Kluczynski Federal Building, in downtown Chicago.

Obama, speaking before the meeting, said: "We're going to have a good conversation about how we can do some work together to fix up the country." He said he also wanted to thank McCain for his service to the country.

Asked by a reporter whether he would work with Obama, McCain, who has long favoured a bipartisan approach to politics, replied: "Obviously".

Sources on both sides said Obama did not offer McCain a cabinet job, but focused on how the senator for Arizona could help to guide through Congress legislation that they both strongly favour.

Given Obama's status as president-in-waiting, the two met in a formal setting, a room decked out with a US flag, and were accompanied by senior advisers. Obama appeared the more relaxed of the two, sitting with legs crossed, smiling broadly and waving to reporters, while McCain sat stiffly, with a seemingly fixed grin.

Although the two clashed during the election campaign over tax policy and withdrawal from Iraq, they have more in common than they have differences. They both favour the closure of the Guantánamo Bay detention centre, an increase in US troops to Afghanistan, immigration reform, stem cell research and measures to tackle climate change, and oppose torture and the widespread use of wire-tapping.

Although Democrats made gains in the Senate in the November 4 elections, they fell short of the 60 seats that would have allowed them to override Republican blocking tactics and will need Republican allies to get Obama's plans through. This was highlighted today when the Democratic leadership in Congress announced that a broad economic stimulus package Obama sought was not likely to be passed because of Republican opposition.

Obama confirmed at the weekend that he would offer jobs to some Republicans. One of the names that crops up most often is Chuck Hagel, the former Republican senator who is a specialist in foreign affairs and a critic of the Iraq war.

[ Posted at 8:23 AM on 11/18/08 | Reply ]
[-] Hillary as Secretary of State? - Guest-Carlos Navarro
Barack Obama’s decision to offer Hillary Clinton the Secretary of State post could well turn out to be his first major blunder, for these obvious reasons:

First, there’s the inseparable bond with her husband Bill. Given the duo’s unquenchable thirst for power, they would not be content to play second fiddle. From day one they would be scheming to usurp control of the White House. Once they get a foothold, Obama would be hard-pressed to rein them in.

Then, there’s the Clintons’ long history of corruption, deception and sleaze—Whitewatergate, Pardongate, Cattle-futuresgate, Chinagate, Filegate, Fellatiogate, the impeachment and near conviction, the punitive IRS audits, the violent deaths of potentially incriminating witness. This alone would provide Obama’s enemies with all the grime they needed to smear his presidency.

Consider further that unlike a Condoleezza Rice or a Madelaine Albright—not to mention bona fide statesmen like Henry Kissinger, Dean Rusk and John Foster Dulles--Hillary Clinton lacks the educational and cultural gravitas to represent our nation abroad. Her lawyering in Arkansas and stint in Congress doesn’t quite cut it. She did get 18 million votes in the Democratic primaries, probably more than Obama, but a large proportion of those votes were cast by diehard feminists and the less educated, hardly the constituency whose support lends credibility to a Secretary of State.

Barack Obama should recall the reasons why he didn’t choose Hillary as his VP running mate. For his and the nation’s sake, let us hope that she doesn’t accept his Secretary of State offer.
[ Posted at 7:36 PM on 11/20/08 | Reply ]
[-] Please Don't - Guest-ribbone
I have to believe that this man did not out smart everybody this election season only to do the stupidest thing ever in appointing Hillary as SOS. Everyone likes to downplay how slimey her campaign got, and she is just as undeserving of that position as Joe Leiberman is of his. I'm getting so sick of her! Obama needs to be careful not to get too cute.
[ Posted at 10:15 PM on 11/21/08 | Reply ]
[-] sec of state - Guest-samantha
this is history in the making
[ Posted at 1:25 PM on 11/23/08 | Reply ]

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