TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 9, 2010 - This Day In History
Are Republicans Sabotaging The Stimulus?
Posted By jwilkes - Tuesday, February 24th, 2009 at 10:48 PM
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Take the legislative process for what it is. You might win some partisan battles, you might lose some others, but in all cases, you work with what you have in front of you.

When Republicans opposed the stimulus bill, that was fine. They voiced dissent, there was debate, and as a result of the rigorous discussion, more than a hundred billion dollars was trimmed from the final version (largely thanks to the bipartisan support of three Republican Senators). But despite the best efforts of other legislators to stop the bill’s passage, a majority of the people’s elected representatives voted the package through.

Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, Texas Governor Rick Perry, Idaho Governor Butch Otter, and Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour all initially said they were considering not taking the stimulus money. Perry ultimately relented, but so far, both Jindal and Barbour have stuck to their guns, rejecting significant portions of the money passed on to their respective states.

Moody’s Economy.com forecasted job losses for 2009. Three of the states listed above- South Carolina, Louisiana, and Mississippi- are projected to experience some of the largest job losses in the country, more than 2.1% across the board. The state budgets are flailing, with four of the six states looking at budget shortfalls in excess of 5% of the respective state’s general fund.

The governors are complaining that the stimulus cash is coming with “strings attached.” By “strings,” they mean requirements that portions of the money be spent on pesky little things like education and- ironically enough, considering their rising jobless rates- unemployment benefits.

At any other point in time, these governors would be biting and clawing for more money from the federal government that would allow them to improve their schools and build new roads. These are “states’ rights” conservatives who believe that government spending is best done on the local level, that the state governments know a lot better how to spend money in a way that benefits their respective constituents than the federal government in Washington. So why, when money is being put in their hands to be spent on their own states, are they not willing to take it?

The simple answer is that all this amounts to political sabotage. After all, if the money never gets into the communities, to the small construction businesses, community credit unions, and school districts, how can the economy ever recover? Rather than use the stimulus cash to provide some much-needed relief to Americans, they’d rather watch the ship go down and hang the blame on the Democratic President (who, let’s remember, has been Commander-in-Chief for just about a month). The whole thing smacks of political opportunism, especially for someone like Jindal, for whom bolstering conservative credentials for the 2012 contest can’t be ruled out as a potential motivator.

Fortunately, there are other Republican governors who’ve kept the interests of their constituents in mind enough to realize that their states are drowning in red ink. California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger offered to take whatever money Jindal and Barbour turn down, and Florida Governor Charlie Crist reasoned that “Florida sends enough a lot of tax dollars to Washington, and we ought to get some of it back.”

The truth is that a handful of Republicans aren’t afraid the stimulus will fail, they’re afraid it will work and that Democrats and President Obama will get credit. It’s ironic that this is coming from a party that spent the last year echoing the phrase of its presidential nominee: “country first.” They hardly seem to be putting it into practice.



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They're sure as hell trying to.
[ Posted at 12:32 PM on 2/25/09 | Reply ]
[-] Sabotaging a bloated stimulus? - Guest-spr1592003
Are the Republicans sabotaging a bloated, long term and unfocused spending bill? Well yes they are, duh!!!!!!!

Remember Obama stated in no uncertain terms that a stimulus bill "Needs to be large enough, focused and temporary".

Well he's got the first part. It's large enough, too large actually. It's very unfocused as it focuses on everything and it's not short term. No part of the stimulus package is short term they are either long term (6 yrs or more, or permanent).

The reason he can't claim this as his own is because he did not help or write the legislation himself/his white house budget - planning office. No sir, he spoke with Reed, Pelosi and Frank then they went nuts. Packing it with all sorts of unnecessary stuff.

P.S. Obama was involved with the first bail out package which was past during the end of Bush's term. He said, the President said and the congress all said that he was in almost daily contact going over the creation of the bill. He also stated that it was very necessary for the that legislation to pass. Well haste make's waste and there was a ton of waste.

So why is Pres. Obama now saying he had no involvement with it. Big old lie on that one. Next congress had oversight of the CIA and Military during the wars and over the detainee's. They were informed of what was going on. Did anybody sound a whistle then to try and stop it?

This is what they consider long over due revenge for the Clinton debacle. But remember Clinton did lie under oath. Monica had the blue dress with the sperm stain on it. Bye the way, they tested the dress but Clinton fessed up to it before the results came out.

The stimulus is being "sabotaged" on it's own because it's too big, too wasteful, unfocused and mostly permanent.

Now one of the parts that's not permanent makes the individual states raises taxes again on the citizens that live in that state. Why because when they accept the unemployment help they are required to continue it, even when the stimulus money runs out.

Now to make up for the difference between the expired stimulus money and what they have the states will have to raise taxes. Nice job?

Also gas will be more expensive. Energy will be more expensive. Items sold will be more expensive from businesses because they are passing along the cost of the increased taxes. Food will increase because of the droughts and the increased cost of trying to grow the food and feed the cattle.

Inflation, massive regulation, making the US weaker militarily, exposing our secret's to the world, hamstringing our political system just because of his vanity and increased taxes on everybody because there are not enough rich, wealth and upper class to pay for a 3.6 Trillion spending increase. Yup that's going to be our life.

Is that the change that we / they really wanted?
[ Posted at 12:19 AM on 2/28/09 | Reply ]
[-] This is new? - Guest-PoizonFrog
This is what they do...what have they accomplished in the past 20 years that was beneficial to the majority of Americans? Not a lot...wars, economic collapse, people living on the street, hunger, lack of medical care, Wall Street thievery, the blowjob impeachment, worldwide resentment, corpotacracy, torture, spying on citizens and the press, lying to the public to bring about war, the deaths of innocent men women and children, class warfare, and a feeling of general abandonment for the public at large.
[ Posted at 1:27 PM on 2/25/09 | Reply ]
[-] You do realize... - Guest-JustJohn
Clinton served in the last 20 years. Eight of those years belonged to him.

I'm not so worried about Louisiana. I think Jindal is on point with what should be done. California has squandered away all of it's resources like most of the OPEC nations did during the recent price boom. What they now face is the bust that goes with the boom.

You can't keep giving it all away for free. Pretty soon it becomes more profitable for the middle class to stay home and reap the benefits that all the lazy folks have been sponging off for years. Washington can keep there money and there bloated government.
[ Posted at 4:09 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] get over it.. - Guest-JohnCocktoastin
Bush wasn't worried about Louisiana either..how'd that turn out? And don't forget, my wealthy "stay the course" friend, the first $700 billion bailout was given out by Bush with no strings...now that the executive vacations are over, it's time for the change American's overwhelmingly voted for in November.

Stay classy, dick.


[ Posted at 9:21 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] Are bears - Guest-Snullbug
hitting in the woods?
[ Posted at 1:32 PM on 2/25/09 | Reply ]
[-] Of course they are... - Guest-Cosmic Surfer
a continuation of the smoke and mirrors game . Mix it with a lot of blind American Exceptionalism and you have the Rushian Party of today...The GRAND OLD Pariah with More of the same McCain, Boehner and Jindal leading the march.
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[ Posted at 3:42 PM on 2/25/09 | Reply ]
I've even voted for republicans. I may lean a little to the left of some of their core issues but always believed that if we had to have a 2 party system, we were best served if they held equal power with the democrats. After experiencing the 8 year nightmare that was Bush and the abysmal performance of the 108th and especially 109th congress, their current hypocritical positions on the economy and Obama in general, I come to the conclusion that the republican party in its current form must be destroyed for the good of the nation. Hopefully, it will lead to a more open multi party system, but the core leadership of the GOP is too rotten and dangerous to ever hold national power again.
[ Posted at 7:11 PM on 2/25/09 | Reply ]
[-] multi party system? - Guest-Taylor
just fyi a multi party system is an absolutely awful idea. Look at Canada where they can't even elect someone with majority power so absolutely nothing gets done.
[ Posted at 4:39 AM on 2/27/09 | Reply ]
Please don't make generalizations based off of a single instance. Look at Japan's DIET multi-party system. They get things done by forming multi-partisan coalitions.
[ Posted at 9:57 AM on 2/27/09 | Reply ]
They took off the leash and let the multinationals bite us to the bone, and now they're calling bandages and disinfectant "pork." The Dems are now EMTs getting slugged by drunken idiots who want to keep on brawling.
[ Posted at 7:15 PM on 2/25/09 | Reply ]
Republican governors who are refusing stimulus money are sabotaging their states. If I lived in one of those red states, I'd be pissed as hell that my governor decided that the entire state population has just got to deal with crappy education, science, and infrastructure to make his political point. It's sick.
Education and infrastructure already are a joke in Red states: They will just continue to be left in the dust, which, of course, will keep the states solidly red. Areas with better Education and Infrastructure are more liberal: Exactly what the Republicans don't want to happen. They also don't want their state economies to get better, because that would mean the evil Democrats would be right.

Thus, they win, win, win by making their citizens loose, loose, loose.
Any governor refusing stimulus should be bypassed and the congressmen of that state should control all stimulus affairs for the state.
[ Posted at 8:04 PM on 2/25/09 | Reply ]
[-] Fine with Gov decision - Guest-One of those in the state
I am a democrat living in one of the state where the governor is purportedly sabotaging my state. That is the state of Idaho ladies and gentlemen. Although I am glad that he is turning down the money for this reason.

The state of Idaho is an extremely small state and we have virtually nothing in the sense of social programs as we have no need for a mass amount of them with our lack of populace. One of the contingencies of the stimulus bill is that 50% of the money that goes to the state is to be used for social programs. The state of Idaho, for what money it is receiving, does not have that much in the way of social programs that needs funding or supporting. They are fine as it is. That is one thing that we have done our best to keep up on above all other things. Now because we cannot use 50% towards social programs, in order to receive any of the money we have to create new social programs, and thus state jobs that run and maintain those social programs. So okay, thats fine, lets create more state jobs and social programs.

One small problem arises though. The money that is in the stimulus bill for the social programs is not applicable to state staffing, therefore we would have to pay for all these new state employees out of a budget that has already failed .

So how do you come up with the money to pay those new state employees? Tax increases on the large businesses that are non existent anymore now that 80% have gone under or sold out to companies residing in other states (thus moving out of state). Tax increases on gas or on sales even? Where would you get the money for those jobs.

That is the reason that Idaho's governor has voiced concern and problems with the way Idaho would have to venture to receive the funds from the stimulus bill. Why do I know this... because I am democrat who is involved in my republican governors office. One who supports the decisions as we have no feasible way at this point and time to meet the requirements to accept the money with the 50% match. Sure we can accept a lesser amount... but that just won't help out where it is needed for this state at this point and time.
[ Posted at 5:05 AM on 2/27/09 | Reply ]
[-] They are - Guest-jay
Strange thing that republican brain

http://www.ucubd.com/Index.aspx?id=1072&cid=x01000056
[ Posted at 3:04 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] HOW is this happening? - Guest-graphicartist2k5
HOW are republicans "sabotaging" the stimulus bill? Is it because republicans actually don't want a bill passed that's going to be a HUGE burden on future generations
? Has Obama even THOUGHT about how the hell all that money is going to be paid back to where it's not going to be an even bigger burden on Americans EVERYWHERE? And how, exactly, are all the states in America that are "republican" going to suffer for not accepting money that WILL have to be paid back by future generations to come? How is it a "bad" thing to not want to accept money that has ALL sorts of strings attached to it that it's ridiculous? It could be that all that's needed for America to pull out of this "decline" in the economy is to call on God for His Mercy, Grace, Compassion, Love, and Favor, and then to do whatever God says to do for Americans to get out of the pit of irresponsible spending. That's really what this ALL comes down to anyway. For FAR too long, Americans have spent their money on PURE emotion, which ALWAYS leads to a HUGE mess when it's all said and done. Obama can make whatever promises he wants to about "America will make it out! We will rebuild!" and whatever else, but the REAL truth is that we're not going to make it ANYWHERE without God's Grace. You can argue against this ALL you want to, but at the end of the day, God's still gonna be God, and you're still not.
[ Posted at 3:14 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] oh god - Guest-jm

ah...I love the Republicans...when in doubt...praise god
[ Posted at 3:27 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
That is putting a lot of pressure on "God."
[ Posted at 3:49 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] Seriously? - Guest-Annoyed
And you think belief in God is anything but 'PURE emotion'? Do you think God will tell us what we need to do? God stopped telling us what to do right around the time his Son died for our sins. God already gave us an out, its up to US to live this life right. Sitting back and asking for his mercy, virtually begging him to come save us is just to far. God is vengeful to those that presume to make decisions that are HIS to make. As you stated "God's still gonna be God, and you're still not."
[ Posted at 4:12 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
I'm sorry to jump in here and offer a rebuttal, but how is asking god to fix it all a rational answer?

If you are on a boat and its sinking do you ask god to save you or do you get in a the freaking boat that came to rescue you? I'm willing to bet that if you wait on god you'll either drown or be pulled out of the water by someone who's not willing to wait on god.

Now the entire country is drowning and we're complaining that the boats we need to rescue everybody are going to have to be purchased on credit. That is indeed unfortunate, but those same folks who are complaining about buying the boats on credit were busy sending boats to other countries on credit less than six weeks ago.

Do Americans deserve to be rescued less than people elsewhere? Are we worth less? Does god love people in other countries more than us, so we should spend our treasure there?

We haven't gotten into a HUGE mess by being faithless in god, we've gotten there by failing to make raitonal decisions.
[ Posted at 4:12 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] You have to be kidding? - Guest-Truth
Bush more than double the money our kids will have to pay back. He also signed money for the banking system before he left, and didn't put in any type of tracking system for the money. Get real! America will always be in debt. The war cost way more than anything Obama has done.

BTW, GOD has nothing to do with people making rational decisions. Greedy people make irrational decisions based on how it benefits themselves.
[ Posted at 4:42 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] really? - Guest-Chris
I can see from what I'm reading that you seriously believe what you've typed but asking God to bail you out when He has given you the abilities and resources to do it yourself kind of flies in the face of His teachings, not to mention a complete and total lack of personal responsibility which is what got us in the mess in the first place.
[ Posted at 4:56 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
Tomorrow - wake up and sniff reality. Drink some coffee and stop listening to Rush and THINK! What party has burdened our children in reality? It's called a stimulus to stimulate to get out of the trillion+ dollar deficit bush got us in, with the war, among other things.
[ Posted at 7:49 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] Just Bush? - Guest-Humoured At Best
Some little detail that is rather humorous that people fail to remember... the actual crash came from the banks hedging funds they did not have in their possession. Trying to pay off debts and buy things with money that did not exist. Correct me if I am wrong but is that not what the stimulus is aiming to achieve?

Back to my point though... 80% has to do with insurance, housing and banking investment firms and how they swindled the public economy. It is also interesting to note that on a number or recorded occasions (as it is part of the congressional record) over the past two presidents, Bush and Clinton, the Republicans warned and tried to limit the banks activities in these sectors. To the current chagrin of most people, as if it has passed we would be in a lot less financial trouble and not having to worry about fixing the banks themselves, it was shot down numerous times by the democratic majority claiming it was of no threat.

Yet at the same time yes Bush did aid in some of the deficit as well with his little war on "Terror." Grow up. I hope your two brain cells might subdivide and multiply into a fully functional brain. It is BOTH parties as neither one can seem to want to work together with the other one... and everyone commenting here is doing the same damned thing. Idiots. That is what it boils down to. Idiots who ride the train and point fingers at either side. Well I and standing in between the two sets of train tracks and pointing and laughing at the idiots blind on both sides.
[ Posted at 5:18 AM on 2/27/09 | Reply ]
Seperation of church and state. We are not a theocracy. At least we aren't supposed to be. I am a christian and I put a lot of faith in God. But my government and my God are very seperate and they should always be so. Anyone who tries to mesh the two together (and that seems like everyone on either side of the debate) has it all wrong. We are a natio of many religions and if teh christians try to make theirs the national religion good luck with all the wars deciding which of the myriad of brands of christianity gets it. And I gaurantee that it won't be any watered down version because those guys don't have the drive to fight for it. It will be all those crazy extremist that give religion a bad name that will be fighting it out to the end.

Get over this religion and government crap. God is not my president.
[ Posted at 9:54 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] Beside myself - Guest-Amazed
Typical - and a great example of how the republican party has been hijacked by the religious right. god will save us, just keep praying!! Do you realize how insane your argument is. Let's ask the invisible man in the sky to help! Good luck with that.

So it wasn't "generational theft" then the last administration lied about the costs and spend $5 trillion on two un-winnable wars but it is when we spend one fifth of that inwards. Yes, I guess the "country first" mantra was all just BS. Let's just cut corporate taxes, that'll fix everything.

If you don't like it, run for office and make a change or get out.

[ Posted at 9:53 AM on 2/27/09 | Reply ]
[-] Typical - Guest-Rio
My my my, isn't this typical, lefties always coming back with how conservitives are all religious. And where did you get the amount of $5 trillion for any two wars??? The last time i checked the first "stimulus" and the paying for the irresponsible homeowners package, Liberals have already dwarfed all spending on every war in U.S. history......combined. You just keep watching MSNBC and getting your "truth" there and when all your rights have been stripped and your paying %50+ percent of your wages in taxes to pay for this mistake maybe you'll.....ahhh who am I kidding, you liberals will keep blaming Bush. And I love how you keep coming back in response to we're spending to much to look back at the last eight years!!! That's the arguement of a four year old.....they did it, so we can do it....idiots!!!
[ Posted at 1:06 PM on 2/27/09 | Reply ]
[-] Cool - Guest-James Woods
That is pretty cool dude.

RT
www.be-anonymous.us.tc
[ Posted at 3:19 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
graphicartist2k5 has some good points...

It seems like when Republicans oppose Liberal plans, or ideas... they are evil and are just against the common man, whoever that is...

But when Liberals oppose Republican plans,or ideas... well, they are just patriotic Americans....

what a load of nonsense...

... And praising God, always, IS a GOOD thing...

[ Posted at 3:37 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] Congress - Guest-Michael
This is not a republican vs Democrat issue. Presidents come and go, but congress stays the same for the most part. The problem is that we can not continue to run deficits forever. Some day the house of cards is going to collapse. The other issue is that Presidents run 10 year projections on budget deficits. The problem is that the current president is not going to be around in 10 years. So the sooner we can balance the budget and start working on the nation debt, the better off we will be.
[ Posted at 3:38 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
...AFTER the economy has recovered. DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT balance the budget in the middle of a recession! Balanced budgets are fine, but right now, in the middle of an economic crisis, is not the time to start paying back China and Japan.
[ Posted at 8:42 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] Engineer - Guest-Fry
I love how it is just spoken as fact that "blue" states are more educated, their infrastructure is better, etc..Hello, look at California! The jumbo liberal state that is broke...jeez, they couldn't even keep the lights on a few years ago. That is what liberal leadership will get you. And don't bring up Arnold, he is a puppet regime of the Kennedy clan, Republican in name only. Not to mention the moron level in that state. Man, have you been out there lately?
Republicans don't want help because, by and large, we don't need it. Most folks I know are what's called self-sufficient. That's across all income and skill levels. They don't need help, stimulis, a bailout, freebies, other peoples tax dollars, free food, medicine, blah, blah, blah. They want the government to stay out of the way. Our fearless leaders in Washington have a lousy track record of doing anything well other than delivering the mail and protecting the shores.

It is too huge and unwieldy and it has now just grown even bigger! Just like the big companies that grew too big, fat and complacent and have failed.

Our new "Hope and Change" government is, frankly, scary. Throw out "our - yours and mine" money in the hopes that something works. That's just retarded.

We as a nation are merely reaping what we have sown for thirty years. Yes, not just the last 8 years. The bill has come due and now we all must pay. Those of us that are producers will inevitably pay the larger part of the tab.
[ Posted at 3:54 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] Reaping what we sow - Guest-Anon
It's interesting the double standards I get from republicans... constantly. It's even down to small things. Have a minister say "chickens come home to roost" and you find a republican say "your evil and unconstantutional... a blasphemist at best! Obama follow's this man, the world is going to hell!!" but when a republican says we "the bill has come due and now we all must pay.", all of a sudden it's OK because your under some form of ecconomic educated hypnotism that you all of a sudden are a forecaster for projected failure... be afraid!!!... fear!!!... overthrow!! so the republicans can go back to their fat cat, war driven, above god, ways where the money can be laundered into their own pockets and projects, businesses can decide the fate of your retirement, etc, and make sure to label the costs of building things to get ahead in a technological world FIRST before we become the next third world country PORK. That's must be in the first chapter of how to contain the human mind... by allowing them to struggle instead of being truley prosperous. "Let them be happy, and the ones in power will loose the grandure of their thrones." That must be the statement at the end of chapter one.

Please drop the elephant flag for a second please. I am not a democrat but if being one means not blindly following the fears of Sean Hannity and the rampages of Rush Limbaugh, the sarcasms of John McCain, the personal attacks of Palin, the passive-aggressive tacticts of Jindal, Fine... I'll be a Democrat! Thanks for helping me see the light instead of thinking outside of your red bubbles.

Your ratiionale seems to me, on par with why 911 was a success to the terrorists. Fear and Spend... wait, you can spend but the Democrats can't. I'm so confused. Just tell me another bedtime story about how FDR, Clinton and Obama has and will fail us and make sure to skip all the others and please please please belittle the words Hope and Change until I no longer believe it's possible. And then... maybe then... I'll drink a little of the Republican juice too in hopes of lower taxes.... lofnl
[ Posted at 9:14 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
I sure hope so! This 'stimulus' has been criticized by the government's own accountants (OMB). Support Obama all you want... he didn't write this bill... Pelosi and Reid did, Obama just went along for the ride.

Wasting money is not stimulus... it is just stealing and wasting.

Why don't you try asking your neighbor to pay your bills for awhile and see how that works...
[ Posted at 4:15 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
Maybe the Republican govs think like me...that the money will cost us more than we can afford.
[ Posted at 4:27 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] Newsflash: - Guest-Michael
The money was already allocated. The money is as good as spent. It is the height of hubris for those Red governors to refuse the money for their citizens. That's okay though, the rest of us will take it.
[ Posted at 8:44 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] HAHAH! - Guest-I can see clearly
So because we are already in debt we should go ahead and say hell with it all... spend more and get further into debt to get out of debt for the temporary time being. What is wrong with a few people cutting back the amounts the states will take, or for some states who are in fine standing to deny it altogether to save the American people some money in the long haul. Yet it is allocated already at a debt, so spend wantonly Federal and State governments... its only my dollar and my working busted ass.
[ Posted at 5:41 AM on 2/27/09 | Reply ]
[-] from yesterday - Guest-Please Help
watch what happens at the end of this 2min video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW2V50AS7K0
[ Posted at 4:54 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
Wow! Right on Ron Paul!
[ Posted at 3:24 AM on 2/27/09 | Reply ]
[-] It's sabotaging itself - Guest-JKopp13
The republican's aren't sabotaging the stimulus, the stimulus is sabotaging itself. It's unlikely to work... what we should really be focusing on to stimulate the economy is passing the FairTax. That would stimulate the economy beyond everything. I just wish people could understand!
[ Posted at 5:18 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] FairTax = Regressive Tax - Guest-Michael
The so-called "Fair Tax" is a regressive tax on the working and middle classes, as those classes of people spend a higher percentage of their income on goods and services then do those in the top tax brackets.
[ Posted at 8:46 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
One can only hope that they are. It's pretty much the most destructive piece of legislation to come out of Washington in, well, history really.
[ Posted at 5:53 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] Dave - Guest-Dave
Funny, I don't remember the Republicans worrying about balancing the budget when Bush's bailout went through, or when Bush was sending out 'Stimulus' checks. Did God tell the Republicans it was OK then?
[ Posted at 6:09 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
the country is bankrupt!!!

wake up people, republicans and democrats are both corrupt and are controlled by the global banking interests of the world.

this economic crisis was planned. PLANNED.

get hip!!! do some research on the federal reserve. it was created in secret by bankers to control our country by putting us in endless debt. every dollar they print is loaned to the country plus interest. that means there will never be enough money to repay the debt. they know this. the federal reserve is a PRIVATE bank, no more federal than federal express. look it up for yourself!!

everything that is happening now is because it was designed to by these banking entities.

in a teeny tiny nutshell, our country is being taken over by europe. come on people you know something is fishy about all of this, start doing real research before it's too late.

And Obama is part of it.

A quote from David Rockefeller's autobiography 'Memoirs' -

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will.

If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."


watch this.
part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBZne09Gf5A&feature=related
part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjUrib_Gh0Y&feature=related
part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BVNN1wqw3k&feature=related
part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPPFgHF9VR4&feature=related

come on get hip!!!
xo
chris
[ Posted at 6:19 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] No, The Stimulus Sabotages Itself - Guest-George P. Burdell
Nope, the stimulus sabotages itself. Nobel prizes in economics have been won (Hayek in 1974 for starters) by proving that "stimulus bills" will not only not work, they can NEVER work. Oh well, somehow FDR was the savior of the Great Depression, even though the country did not get out of the Depression until after his death, and it would not be until the early 1950s before the Dow reached its pre-Depression levels. If that is the kind of success Obama is hoping for, then we are in for some truly hard times indeed.
[ Posted at 6:57 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
The Dow Jones Industrial Average is not the only indicator of economic health. But let's look at the Dow: by the time FDR was sworn in, the Dow had reached a low around 52. By 1940 the Dow had nearly tripled to 150. In that time unemployment was slashed from a high of nearly 25 percent to around 10-13% by the time WWII rolled around. With the government spending of WWII acting as the largest ECONOMIC STIMULUS IN HISTORY, national employment neared an amazing 100%. When GIs returned home from Europe and Asia, many of them could now afford to buy homes and go to college - things that were nearly UNHEARD OF just 10 years earlier. All of this was made possible by, you guessed it, GOVERNMENT spending.

It's amazing the intellectual dishonesty! Do you really think the DJIA was a REAL indicator of economic health in 1928, at the height of an investment bubble??? You really think that an hyper-inflated market average should be the benchmark by which we measure economic growth?!?! GTFO of here with that sh$t.
[ Posted at 8:57 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
My thoughts exactly. Thanks for writing.
[ Posted at 7:37 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] realist - Guest-bob
The Republicans aren't trying to sabotage the stimulus. The stimulus is sabotaging our children. $13,000 apiece, if my math is correct, to each child under the age of 16.
[ Posted at 8:10 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] agreed - Guest-David
Hey

Instead of working to deflate the astronomical debt bubble, Obama and his friends are pumping it up. Never mind what the talking heads say on CNN and MSNBC — reading from their government, i.e., banker, scripts — the “stimulus” bill will not cure anything. It will make the situation far worse.

It was designed this way. The bankers print, regulate, and inflate our money supply through the Federal Reserve, the mother of all “debt engines,” as Ron Paul has called it. The privately-owned Fed will now “monetize the debt,” that is to say the bankers will turn on the printing presses in order to meet Treasury debt “obligations,” including the “stimulus” bill, actually a debt-creation bill that will do the opposite of what Obama and Congress tell us it will do.

The economic collapse was planned well in advance. “From now on depressions will be scientifically created,” declared congressman Charles A. Lindberg Sr. after the Federal Reserve was established in the dead of night.

[ Posted at 8:24 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] CIA Adds Economy To Threat Updates-Washington Post - Guest-Today's Washington Post
The daily White House intelligence report that catalogs the top security threats to the nation has a grim new addition, reflecting the realities of the age: a daily update on the global financial crisis and its cascading effects on the stability of countries through the world.

The first Economic Intelligence Briefing report was presented to the White House yesterday by the CIA, the agency’s new director, Leon Panetta, revealed at a news conference. The addition of economic news to the daily roundup of terrorist attacks and surveillance reports appears to reflect a growing belief among intelligence officials that the economic meltdown is now preeminent among security threats facing the United States.
“We’ve seen the impact of a worldwide recession occur throughout the world,” said Panetta, who described the agency’s newest product at his first news briefing since his confirmation. Instigated at the request of the White House, the daily report will ensure that U.S. policymakers are “not surprised” by the aftershocks from bank failures and rising unemployment, he said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/25/AR2009022503389.html
[ Posted at 8:28 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] taxes - Guest-dave
It's nice to see the Dems laying down the tracks for when the "stimulus doesn't work. Blame the Republicans for not accepting "free" cash.

You mention Texas not accepting money. Could that be because Texas' economy is actually thriving? Why would we mention that Texas has no state income tax, the government's limited involvement in business regulation, and low taxation?

The answer is not raising taxes and offering free incentives; instead, limited government intervention to the key to success. Bush was a terrible fiscal conservative and did an awful job at stopping the expansion of government when he could have. Obama is only going to increase the size and role of the federal government in the lives of Americans

Taxes will go up under Obama, maybe not for the lower or majority of the middle class, but just because you are labeled "rich" does not mean you should be taxed disproportionally high. You earned that money and deserve to keep it, not have it taken away because you were successful.

Look at the state from which he comes, Illinois. Illinois has one of the worst track records in the country. They are losing jobs left and right and are raising taxes to try and compensate. It's a vicious cycle the entire nation is falling into.

Thank you for your time, productive comments are appreciated.
[ Posted at 9:06 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
The greatest threat to America is not terrorism, nor the financial meltdown...it's electing a right wingnut to public office.

[ Posted at 9:56 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] Money grows on trees - Guest-James
How long is it gonna take this fricken government to realize that we can make billions of dollars by legalizing marijuana and industrial hemp. The money the DEA spends on persecuting pot farmers and dealers would be much more efficiently on schools, health, and violent criminals. But no,no, its a Drug! and all that bullshit.
[ Posted at 10:02 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] At Issue - Guest-Cris
Bobby Jindle is an idiot, enough said and Haley Barbie shouldn't get any money period, for every dollar that his state sent back he got 2x more in government funds. For Haley is a color issue and Jindle well it's both political and mental issue.
[ Posted at 10:47 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] Dems/Repubs - Guest-Al
If you're a democrat you get a BJ from a big lady, but if you're a GOP then it's a guy at a public bathroom or a congresstional boy...
[ Posted at 10:49 PM on 2/26/09 | Reply ]
[-] south is dumb - Guest-dudecalidude
Southern republicans are not real republicans. If they were, then the West's and Mid-west's taxes wouldn't be subsidizing their lousy excuses for governments, something that has been going on well before Obama came.

It is Schwarzenegger who should be calling out, we as Kaliforniern can better govern our selves than the Fed, but its quite hard to do when we only get 80 cents back from every dollar we give to the Fed.

Some states in the south get over 1.40 already for every dollar they send into washington.

The reduction of Federal taxation and government spending is still a noble goal of republicans and libertarians, but southern governments are saying one thing and doing another.

If Obama should take one lesson from Lincoln, its when the southern states decide to secede: let em.



[ Posted at 1:26 AM on 2/27/09 | Reply ]
If you were broke and someone offered you money with conditions costing you high interest rates, your freedom and rules that would squeeze your family's financial future Forever, would you take it? Did you know the stimulus bill is a bunch of laws nobody got to read? Since only a tiny fraction of the tax payer funded stimulus was for jobs and a massive amount for Acorn, does this not give you a clue what we're going to be held hostage for? This so-called taxpayer funded"stimulus" package is only the first of many, to come in waves as people become increasingly desperate. And why was no one given a chance to read it before it was quickly passed? Where's the transparency, the no-earmarks, no-lobbyists that we were promised? Wake up America, we've been had Big Time!
[ Posted at 2:11 AM on 2/27/09 | Reply ]
After years of democrats ripping apart every idea before it got a chance I don't see how they can be upset that republicans are now being asked to support something that they never even got a chance to participate in and that was passed before anyone got a chance to read it. I don't doubt there is partisanship at play here but a bad idea is still a bad idea.
[ Posted at 4:35 AM on 2/27/09 | Reply ]
This article is absolute rubbish. I can't believe you honestly think this, much less that the stimulus will work. By the way, a large portion of that "education" money is going towards creating meaningless administrative jobs within the education system, not to the kids.
[ Posted at 8:39 AM on 2/27/09 | Reply ]
Stimulus = Pure Unadulterated Socialism.
[ Posted at 10:39 AM on 2/27/09 | Reply ]
[-] Socialist Demoncats - Guest-nobody
Stimulus = Pure Unadulterated Socialism.

Every governor should refuse the stimulus money.

3 Cheers for Governor Jindal.
[ Posted at 10:41 AM on 2/27/09 | Reply ]
[-] Literacy Clinician - Guest-logan9
The God Only Party is LOST IN 1982.

It can't possibly continue winning elections on Gods, Guns, and Gays... can it?

[ Posted at 10:20 PM on 2/27/09 | Reply ]

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