SATURDAY, MAY 18, 2013 - This Day In History
Are Moderate Republicans Already Sitting Out the 2012 Presidential Race?
Posted By MichaelSweeney - Friday, May 22nd, 2009 at 9:42 AM
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Cross-posted on The Stonecipher Report 

 Things have been happening in the political zeitgeist – some major, others more subtle. Individually, these may be unrelated blips...but combined, they may also be simply the first building blocks in a trend that could eventually become quite significant.

First, of course, there was PA’s Sen. Arlen Specter – formerly one of the handful of remaining "moderate" Republicans in the US Senate – who made huge headlines with his official switch to the majority Democratic Party. This means that once – as expected (eventually, anyway) – Al Franken is seated as MN’s Junior Senator, that the Dems will have a 60-vote supermajority and will be able to prevent Republicans from delaying legislation via filibusters. It also "only" leaves ME’s Senators Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe – who have already voted with the Democrats for some of President Obama’s desired bills – as perhaps the sole remaining "traditional" old-line center-holding national-level GOP politicians. (Some extreme right-wingers also tar AZ’s Sen. John McCain with that brush…but even his "maverick" independence does not lean him that far to the center on most issues.)

Then, this week, two important additional decisions / moves were made by an otherwise unconnected pair of rising-star semi-moderates in the Republican Party. First, FL Gov. Charlie Crist – who had notably embraced the Obama-led bailout funds coming to his state (as opposed to other Southern GOP Guvs, such as LA's Jindal and SC's Sanford) – announced that, rather than run for his (final, term-limited) possible 2nd term as the Sunshine State's chief executive, that he was going to shoot for (and likely easily win) the US Senate seat from his state (which, of course, has NO term limits) being vacated by retiring GOP Sen. Mel Martinez.

Also (and much more surprisingly), the news broke last weekend that the Republican Governor of UT, Jon Huntsman, would be appointed US Ambassador to China by President Obama. The re-elected in 2008 (but term-limited afterward) 49-year-old Huntsman said he hadn't expected "to be called into action by the person who beat us," in the 2008 Presidential election, when he was a national McCain co-chairman. "But I grew up understanding that the most basic responsibility one has is service to country." And even though Huntsman may have not yet been widely known outside of his own state, his straightforward and reasonable populism was making him a growing dark-horse-ish potential GOP Presidential candidate. (In fact, after Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee, I had him as a possible rising – if still distant – third pick in the 2012 primaries…)

However, with these recent changes, in effect, this will likely signal that neither Crist nor Huntsman – who were both considered leading GOP moderates bubbling beneath the perceived top '12 candidates of Romney, Huckabee, and Palin – will shoot for the next Republican Presidential nomination...Huntsman, since he may still be serving in the Democratic President's service...and Crist, because a statehouse is perceived as a much stronger immediate GOP launching pad for the White House than the Senate (just ask George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan...as opposed to Bob Dole and John McCain).

However, these career-broadening moves COULD also be seen as longer-range advantages for the 2016 race, when things are expected to be more open on both sides of the ticket (as Biden and Clinton will likely be seen as being too old to run for President as the "natural" successor to Obama after an assumed eight-year term).

Instead, it is starting to seem clear that these (as I've noted and as most analysts agree) more thoughtful, moderate Repubs are going to perhaps let their disintegrated party continue to fight things out in the run-up to the 2012 election, where it looks as if the bickering, faction-driven Republican Party will end up nominating (after a likely bitter contest) a Presidential candidate that will be far to the Right of the American public's current tastes and desires...and who will likely end up losing in a landslide that makes McCain '08 and Dole '96 look like comparative close calls.

In fact, as more changes like these occur (with the less "severe" and partisan Republican candidates seeming to drift to the sidelines) …AND, as he keeps flapping his "I’m right; only WE can protect you" sound bites against Obama and the Dems, it is beginning to appear that former VP Dick Cheney could even possibly emerge as the GOP standard-bearer in 2012. (Excuse me while I shudder uncontrollably at even the merest thought of THAT possibility…) Of course, at this point, Cheney would likely dismiss such possibilities, but…as the resounding beats of endorsement continue to come from Limbaugh and other vocal supporters, you can be certain that ol’ "Darth" from Wyoming would eventually "accept" a growing draft for him to lead his party (yeah, over a cliff, I’d bet)…

Of course, we still have a long way to go until things fully line up for "Election 2012" (much less the one that follows THAT) but...that is the way things are starting to look, as perhaps the clever, forward-looking pols who want to survive the expected ongoing self-immolation of the now-mostly-regionalized-GOP decide to let the most loudly focused members of that little circular firing squad take each other out (perhaps spectacularly!) over the next few years while they bide their time a little, add to their resumes and reputations, and keep folding their hands until the dealer turns up some more appealing cards...

At this point, it seems to me that Crist and (especially) Huntsman are making the smart moves that will potentially benefit them in the future and not endanger their political careers at an unnecessarily early point. But...on the other hand, 20-20 hindsight reminds us of all the leading Dems (such as Mario Cuomo) who decided in 1991 that President George H.W. Bush was going to be an easy two-termer…and who were swiftly lapped by the clever and sly Governor of Arkansas – who, of course, became the first Democratic President since FDR to get re-elected.

So, are things for the GOP seem to definitely be trending far right in the next Presidential election – or could a Republican equivalent of Bill Clinton (middle-of-the-road; breaking assumptions and making a well-timed move) yet emerge? The early bets seem to be on the former…but, of course, only time will tell. In any event, it sure looks like it will be an interesting next 3 to 7 years…

 



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voters. Primary turnout is a fraction of party membership, usually no more than 30-40% even in 'hot' races. The ir-religious right can be counted on - even in non-southern states - to be at least a good 1/3rd of the voters. In a multi-candidate primary (and if it ain't one, they'll make it one), that means they decide who wins. Even McCain had to spend 8 years bowing a scraping to them to barely squeak out a worthless nomination (despite being heir-apparent, who the Rethugs almost always nominate).

And so-called moderate Rethug campaigns with any life die in the southern primaries. Remember McCain 2000 and South Carolina?

In short, in presidential politics, there are no moderate Rethugs except the tokens bused in for meaningless (and deceptive) backdrop.

BTW, do you really think McCain2008 was moderate? Rather than just a little less far-right? If so, you really have no understanding of political history and the true spectrum of ideology. But then your like most American's who think Clinton was liberal, when he was either slightly right-of-center or barely left-of-center but either way so minimal as to be irrelevant.
chrismorgan
[ Posted at 3:22 PM on 5/22/09 | Reply ]
WTF?

petty, stupid response.

"If so, you really have no understanding of political history and the true spectrum of ideology. But then your like most American's..."

thank god we have "geniuses" like you to help us ignorant fucks. what a load of rubbish.
[ Posted at 8:55 PM on 5/22/09 | Reply ]
So, either he believes McLame2008 was a moderate or not. If so, then tell me which of McLame/Failin's core positions was 'moderate', as opposed to merely less far-right?

The gist of the diary was that there are 'moderates' in the Rethug party who actually have a chance at being nominated for Pres anytime before the apocalypse. This is simply, demonstrably incorrect. Was Bush a moderate? Was Guliani? Is Palin? How many 2000 positons did McLame betray while cozying up the the ir-religious wrong and 'neo-'(aka 'real')cons? The closest they have to a moderate is Powell and he's been ex-communicated, and more to the point wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning their primaries.

If we are to reform American politics, and not merely have Obama be 'a golden reed among the Bushes' (to quote Norman), we must burn the current Rethug party to the fraking ground and put a stake in their vampire's heart.
Anything else and it will merely be same-old-same back again with a different front man. Just like 1980, 1998, 2000. See the pattern?

But perhaps using history as proof is 'unnecessary and very nasty'?
[ Posted at 10:01 PM on 5/22/09 | Reply ]
...Nowhere do I call McCain a moderate...but I do point out that the rabid RW droolers are so far out there that they actually want to push Mac out of their party and label him more like Ted Kennedy than Ronald Reagan.

I DO think that (unless, as could even be possible already, the GOP splits into 2 subset parties soon) the Republicans will go hard right in the '12 primaries...and will even further drop in minority party status.

...However, the smart moves in '16 (and beyond) may be the eventual emergence of a GOP Bill Clinton-equivalent...but they still seem to need worse rock-bottoming-out before many of them would even consider supporting a right-center "Third Way."

Until then -- same crap, different elections...and the GOP (as it exists now) keeps (thankfully!) losing and shrinking.
[ Posted at 11:22 AM on 5/23/09 | Reply ]
...no clear concept or realization about what I have been writing...

Clearly, the RWers (religio-Repubs, etc.) have been dominating their primaries -- and that has helped stamp out the former moderate GOPers...and that's what I absolutely see coming to a head in 2012.

And, no, I was not labelling McCain as a moderate -- just pointing out that some of these zealots are so far to the right that they think Johnny Mac is some sort of a comparative liberal...which, of course, Clinton wasn't either -- he was successful at being a centrist at the time...and I'm glad that the pendulum in this country has at least edged more toward the left now...
[ Posted at 8:59 PM on 5/22/09 | Reply ]
[-] Class and Faction - Guest-super390
I'm not a political race junkie; I don't care to know about these people until we're far enough along in the process to know their positions.

However, I am a junkie for civil war, disorder, conflict, and violent factionalism, so I've become much more interested in the GOP than I have at any time since I left the party in disgust in 1980. I also live in the South. I think the GOP is crossing the line from a party to a radical, non-electoral movement. I think the inmates are taking over the asylum from its Board of evil shareholders.

What happened last November was a decapitation. I was shocked to see that Cheney had not readied a second terrorist attack so that he could declare martial law. He simply hadn't planned for his dictatorship to be unpopular. The strength of the party, its internal obediance and its deference to capital, disintegrated. The zombie army no longer listens to the RNC Chair, or to the seated successors to DeLay and Gingrich, and most of all it no longer worships the capitalist class which was always the ultimate authority.

So maybe it took a few months for the shock to wear off and the trusted henchmen of the business elite to emerge from undisclosed locations to try to restore discipline. If that's Cheney's game, he's terribly misreading the mood expressed at the teabag parties. He wants a more modern dictatorship, they want the Confederate States of America. Presumably Exxon and the other monsters of capital preferred the dictatorship and expect him to restore America's ability to dominate and exploit the world.

I think the zombies really don't understand how America must cheat the world to sustain their trivial comforts. They liked the newsfeed of American armies conquering the mud races but now they vaguely understand that this hasn't improved their own lives. So they embrace the idea that the world isn't good enough for us and swing back to isolationism and secession. Cheney is the antithesis of all this.

The only way the capitalist class can use the teabaggers is the way the DuPont plotters tried to blackmail FDR in 1934; organize them into a large national militia and then hint to the President that large amounts of violence will be unleashed unless liberal reform programs are sacked. However, this requires plausible deniability; the GOP leadership must be insulated from the militia leadership while the rank & file of both forces largely overlaps. Cheney is too hated to function in either role.
[ Posted at 4:03 PM on 5/22/09 | Reply ]
[-] Gary Johnson - Guest-benmasel
The former NM Gov., best known nationally for his advocacy of drug legalization, is mulling a run. opposed PATRIOT ACT and the Iraq war.

Think Ron Paul without the baggage. Pro-choice.

http://www.gop12.com/...
[ Posted at 4:10 PM on 5/22/09 | Reply ]
[-] Do they have any other choice? - Guest-Visceral448
They can't win over the Republican base with their moderate positions, not in this climate of wounded pride and a left-of-center black man in the White House.

They also can't easily switch parties. They know the American people want real change, and a 'D' after their names likely won't protect them if they continue to enable the Republicans with conservative votes. They also know the newfound strength of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party, and fear facing a difficult primary even after switching sides.
[ Posted at 4:45 PM on 5/22/09 | Reply ]
[-] I heart speculation. - Guest-sirclown
Did you see yesterday's poll showing Obama with giant leads over any of Romney, Palin, Huckabee or Gingrich? The moderate Republicans would be half-crazy to try to run now in a GOP shrinking to its base to compete for a chance to face a popular incumbent. It's true that HW had high approval in 1991 but some of that was rally around the flag and president after a decisively won Gulf War. When the economy soured the next year, voters turned away from a party that had been in the White House for 12 years. Of course Obama's approval could droop but people are less likely to return to the party that screwed it all up just 4 years ago. As the Democrats retain such a strong edge over Republicans in party ID, it's somewhat hard to see an inverse 92 happening. I wouldn't even be too shocked if Palin surveys the landscape and takes a pass on 2012 though she'll probably run. I assume her rejection of stimulus funds was to establish her anti-Obama credentials. Speaking of which, look for Mark Sanford to run since South Carolina is an early state and he can pick up early mo. If I had to guess, I'd say Romney is the most likely nominee but I'd love to see a bitter primary and even see it go to the convention. Also, I think it's safe to bet when Palin's book comes out next year it will be full of lies that are quickly exposed.

I don't think Hillary will be necessarily be too old in 2016 if she's healthy. Biden would probably be pushing it but even he, under the right circumstances, could do it. Unless their current job stress ages them aggressively. Gore at 68? There will be new players, maybe even some not on the radar. It's so far away, maybe an independent will even be a front runner or maybe there will be a 3rd major party by then?
[ Posted at 8:44 PM on 5/22/09 | Reply ]
[-] Good analysis - Guest-catchaz361
Thanks!
[ Posted at 10:20 PM on 5/22/09 | Reply ]
[-] Ridge is sitting out PA - Guest-FlamingLiberalforJesus
and there's no noise from Gerlach about Senate, he prefers the Gov. race so in PA moderate or even moderately conservative Republicans are sitting it out in favor of crazy and reactionary Repubs.
[ Posted at 3:23 AM on 5/23/09 | Reply ]
[-] I meant sitting out PA in 2010 - Guest-FlamingLiberalforJesus
no idea about 2012.
[ Posted at 3:23 AM on 5/23/09 | Reply ]

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