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jwilkes

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« Reply #0: May 27, 2008, 5:14 PM »
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Of all the hats that Hillary Clinton has tried on this electoral season- from frontrunner, to underdog, to champion of the working middle class (read: the whites)- it's probably her current one that's been the most offensive, if you can believe it.  That's right: I can chuck all the accusations of racism, sexism, and unfairness that have originated from the Clinton camp aside.  But this latest one insults my intelligence.

 

Hillary Clinton: victim.  And of course, the loudest siren of unfairness is the would-be First Gentleman himself, Bill Clinton.

 

"I can't believe it. It is just frantic the way they are trying to push and pressure and bully all these superdelegates to come out," Clinton told supporters in a campaign stop on Sunday.  He went on to allege a media cover-up of certain figures suggesting that the Senator from New York would fare well in a November match-up against John McCain.

 

"She is winning the general election today and [Barack Obama] is not, according to all the evidence," he said. "And I have never seen anything like it. I have never seen a candidate treated so disrespectfully just for running."

 

So, a vast media conspiracy?  Keep in mind, this is the same political duo that called "vast right-wing conspiracy" when Bill was in the hot seat, denying that he'd ever had any kind of inappropriate relationship with Monica Lewinsky. 

 

It's not just that Clinton's pandering is pathetic or untrue.  It kind of calls into question Clinton's pledge to "work [her] heart out" for Obama if he is ultimately successful in his quest for the nomination.  Every time Clinton or her husband claim to be the victims of some sort of foul play, it begs the question: who is the perpetrator?  Who is responsible for the former First Lady being "treated so disrespectfully just for running?"  Pointing the finger at the media only goes so far.  And this is only the inter-party portion of the overall election.  Essentially, Clinton is attempting to make Obama an antagonist of his own party.

 

Or at least a significant portion of it.  I wrote not long ago about how Clinton was essentially holding her wing of the Democratic Party hostage, with her sole demand being that she be granted the vice presidential slot on Obama's eventual ticket.  But the more she argues and convinces her devout following that Obama is a cheat, or that he's somehow unfairly snatched the nomination out from under her nose, the less likely it will be that Clinton will be able to convince even her most ardent of supporters that they should fall back in line behind an Obama-led ticket.

 

Moreover, it lends some credence to the conspiracy-theory type claim circulating that Clinton's continued presence in the race for the Democratic nomination has more to do with sabotage than it does with party unity.  Looking at the facts, it seems fairly straightforward and simple to state that in the end, Clinton is making it more difficult for the Democratic candidate to be successful in November, no matter who that candidate is.

 

And by this logic, Clinton, betting on the almost-assured fact that it will be Obama, and not her, who carries the party flag into the fall, hopes to be in place to sweep up the pieces again in four years.

 

Hillary Clinton is no victim.  No one should be under any kind of delusion that she's run a dirty campaign, and that Obama has simply taken the high road 100% of the time.  This race is for the biggest prize in politics, and everyone in every campaign, from the very top to the very bottom, knows they have to play hardball to win.  But there is something pathetic and unnerving when the Clinton's play the victim- especially when they've done it before.  Besides, we all know how that turned out.



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Brigitte

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« Reply #1: May 27, 2008, 7:33 PM »
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No VP slot for Hillary. There are many reasons why she cannot fill the VP slot.

Myself and many people are terribly offended by Hillary's remarks about RFK, we do not like her divisive campaign, her old brand of politics, her lies, her unfavorable rating, her flip flops, her using her gender, her using race, her using remarks like "hard working white voters",..etc...etc...her trying to steal this nomination with an electabliity arguement...

Now, Bills remarks this last week are equally offensive. Trying to mislead the public. He was always good at that.

I am also tired of her entire campaign saying that they are winning the popular vote. THEY ARE NOT WINNING THE POPULAR VOTE!! They even have newscasters talking about this. If you say something often enough people start to believe it. They are lying to the American public, and showing that they do not know how to follow the rules.

As far as MI and FL, what about all the people there who may have wanted to vote for Barack but couldnt in MI because he wasnt on the ballot, and didnt in FL because they thought that their vote wouldnt count. Many people also did not get the opportunity to get to know him or listen to him at that time. All Hillary won in FL and MI is a name recognition contest. Nothing more.
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« Reply #2: May 27, 2008, 7:40 PM »
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For what it’s worth: in my line of work I’ve been analyzing foreign politics for about fifteen years and what’s going on in this very election is quite alarming. HRC and her collaborators have chosen to actively contribute to one of the most dangerous smear campaign in the history of American presidential politics.
Clinton will never be president, so the choice is between McCain and Obama.
The fact that the Superdelegates still restrain from intervening to put “her” out of “her” (?) misery speaks volume. Why are they longing for a bright… - sorry - sinister, ominous McCain administration? The DNC is rooting for McCain. Guilty by association...
It is simply inexcusable.
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« Reply #3: May 27, 2008, 8:56 PM »
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 I do not think that Hillary Clinton is a victim in this race, that is far from the truth. If anything, we are all victims of her sore losing antics and cruel conduct during the duration of this campaign. To say that  she is a victim is a very bad thing to say on her part- as are many other things she has said. I guess she "miss spoke" again, huh?

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« Reply #4: May 28, 2008, 9:49 AM »
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The true victims in 2008 may be the next generation IF Hillary has managed to 'split' the party in two.   If there was ever an election year that people aged 18 to 30 must turn out in mass - it's 2008.  This is being said by a granny of 3 that has passed the age of 30 many election cycles in the past. 

Hillary has amazed me.  I can't say I have ever been a big Hillary fan, but I could tolerate her and would have voted for her if she were the nominee.   Right after her 11 straight losses she changed - or maybe there wasn't a change, just that the 'true' Hillary was about to surface.  Hillary is no victim, she has victimized the nation......I just pray we don't have to put up with McCain's appointees to the Supreme Court for the next 25 to 30 years because of Hillary's actions.   The Supreme Court issue must be told to ALL of Clinton's supporters that say they will vote McCain.

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« Reply #5: May 28, 2008, 10:51 PM »
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Claims of victimhood is a clever dodge, in one sweeping motion it simultaneously absolves her and her campaign of any hand in coming up short and shifts the blame to a handy "other". In the past, it was right-wing conspirators out to destroy them personally and politically. Now it's the media and the insiders who have treated her in a "sexist" fashion.

It's convenient amnesia...it overlooks the fact that she failed to plan strategically and manage her campaign effectively. Rather than standing up and taking full responsibility for where she's at today, there must be some other source to blame. The unfortunate consquence of this is that her supporters are latching on to this notion that she's actually winning and that it will be her, not Obama, who will have the nomination stolen away by the superdelegates. It's an "Alice in Wonderland" turn of events, but they know it resonates and continue to beat that drum. 

The average voter may not grasp the importance of the rules and the delegate allocation process, but they can grab onto the simplistic idea of "popular vote" = "winner". It's the same reason that many of the voting public still insist we have a democratic form of government....if we did then it truly would be an "American Idol" process. It isn't, but the Clinton's are masters at appealing to the lowest common denominator in their demagoguery. And that's exactly where they've devolved, they've become nothing but demagogues and "victimhood" wears well given their position...and their perfectly comfortable donning that mantle if it suits their purposes.  

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« Reply #6: May 29, 2008, 7:49 AM »
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Clinton has taken Kentucky and Obama is right there in Oregon.
The Democratic race for nomination is still very much alive – and most likely to be decided by superdelegates – as CNN points out clearly

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/20/primary.wrap/index.html

If you’re tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support Clinton or Obama

If you haven't done so yet, please write a message to each of your state's superdelegates at http://www.lobbydelegates.com

Clinton Supporters too …. !

It takes a moment, but what's a few minutes now worth to get Clinton in office?! Those are really worth !

Sending a note to current Clinton supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Obama supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Clinton, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Clinton. It's that easy...
strixie

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« Reply #7: May 29, 2008, 10:35 AM »
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Kathy: it’s getting a bit tedious, don’t you agree?

You see, here on EOO we couldn’t care less about what ”CNN points out clearly”....“The Democratic race for nomination is still very much alive” – Sure…Provided you are delusional! Do yourself a favour: wake up! It’s been over since Obama won (WON) Texas…

So, Kathy, darling – what about following that wise piece of advice kindly given to you by Socrates in a previous post? http://www.eyesonobama.com/forum/topic/id_19144
Take your business elsewhere!
After all, in your own words, “It’s that easy…”
 
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« Reply #8: May 29, 2008, 6:09 PM »
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I WROTE AND POSTED ON MY BLOG THE FOLLOWING ON MEMORIAL DAY:

Both of my parents have passed. I am States away from their resting place, but I will be sending out prayers and have personal conversations with both. My father was a Veteran....Korea. I have his War Bonds tucked away in a safe place...along with his photos of those with whom he served. I wonder what both of my parents would think of the current state of political affairs. I remember vividly the grief of my mother (she would be 83) surrounding the JKF - MLK - RFK assassinations. I grew up in a wonderful rural Iowa home and blessed by my parents with a strong foundation of Christian values. My father was a farmer. My mother was a teacher. My mother didn't always agree with the course I pursued in life - we would argue about "why she was doing everything for dad....jump when he said jump." She was from a different era and didn't understand why I wanted to "burn my bra" and identify with Steinem and "those feminists."
As I reflect upon this with fond memories, the Friday before Memorial Day, Hillary Rodham Clinton makes an unforgivable statement. She not so subtlely references waiting in the wings for Obama to be assassinated. This has been on my mind, as she continues to move the bar, play with the math and wants to be VP if she can't have the whole enchilada. And I should be shocked that she said it on camera - but I am not shocked. I am not shocked that she has issued no apology to the people of this nation, or other nations, that she has made no apology to Sen. Obama. She has no remorse. This is the clearest example of where we have come politically in 40 years. Full circle.
I got my degree in Women's Studies. I wrote a research paper in the course of that degree based on my theory that "feminism" was analogous to all other "isms." But not in the sense you may think. I likened feminists to racists, classists, etc. It was a well written paper. I got a D- but was offered an opportunity to rewrite it for a better grade. I had spent 3 weeks on that first paper. The second one was haphazardly written overnight and - because it said what it was "supposed" to say, I received a B. It probably would have been an A - had not the first paper been submitted. So with my degree in Women's Studies in hand - and my own set of ideas about feminism in mind, I graduated with honors. But I would not "cling to" the feminist bible. I would not identify with the hatred of men - of all the whining and complaints of what had been done to "us women." I had chosen to be force fed the anger of decades and sent out without any tools to make real change. But HARK: I saw the bigger picture. It was plain and simple - I made a wiser choice to become a humanitarian with a degree that would MARK me as I stepped into my future - but I would choose my battles wisely and eradicate all forms of ISMS in my work as an advocate for change. And with this knowledge, I better understood my mother.
I have supported Sen. Obama from day one. I have had a difficult time with "feminists" that would call me a traitor - they are feminISTS....like racist, classist and sexist. That "ism" is inherent in the feminist movement as a whole. White middle class women marginalizing all others, including women who aren't WHITE enough or in the right INCOME BRACKET. It isn't as though they don't address the marginalized women - they do - in well written articles – but ACTION is always based on the REAL feminist agenda. Thus Hillary Rodham Clinton - unafraid to race-bait - use class, do "anything" to get elected. I am not an Obama supporter because I am afraid to see a woman in the White House - as President. That day will come. But it will come when we have the RIGHT woman to rally behind. HRC is not that woman...her divisiveness, her words and her actions have made that clear. I have HOPE for the future. Sen. Obama offers that HOPE to UNIFY ALL - women are a part of ALL!
I pray that the feminists who want to see a Woman President in their lifetime will begin to look inside themselves and then look beyond their agenda to see clearly the bigger picture. I pray too, that they get beyond their notion that WOMEN have got to do it before BLACK MEN! That they can see that their actions are racist! To see the bigger picture is to be human - not categorized, marginalized or divided. I understand that feminists want it so much - and have worked hard throughout their whole lives - they want to see the OUTCOME of their efforts on a grand scale. But there is a refusal to see that Hillary Rodham Clinton - if elected - would undermine all of their years of work. Because it would be a long long long time before there was ever a second President of the USA that "happens to be a woman." I pray that they begin to see this and think not of themselves - but of their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren.
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