Hey Psychjesse, I think that you need to take a stand here. Hillary, Barack, or John, or nobody. Pros for each: Hillary has time in the WH, and is a very good politician. She went to a women's college and knows women's issues. Barack is an organizer who worked in the inner city and knows the problems of that area. He is from Hawaii, which could be rural or urban, but I think most of his time has been in urban areas. He's a constitutional lawyer, so he'll know who to pick for the supreme court when needed. John is a retired navy pilot, who came to Arizona after retirement and took the seat formerly occupied by Mo Udall. I considered him a carpetbagger at the time. He's been good on keeping pork out of the federal budget, but he plays the game like a Washington pro. Negatives: Hillary has Bill, will do anything to get elected, and uses her high intellect to get what she wants. She will obliterate Iran if given the opportunity. She is a closet Republican. Barack is a uniter, and may be taken in by the slick Republicans who use your own belief system against you in order to win. John is old and tired, and can't seem to remember who he is for and against in Iraq. Admittedly, my comment may reflect my personal views, but that's what this is about. psychron, Las vegas